Comments on: Round up all the web geeks and pelt them with pebbles http://www.dogwalkblog.com/round-up-all-the-web-geeks-and-pelt-them-with-pebbles.html Rational thought has gone to the dogs! Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:32:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Round up all the web geeks and pelt them with pebbles « Rivershark, Inc. http://www.dogwalkblog.com/round-up-all-the-web-geeks-and-pelt-them-with-pebbles.html/comment-page-1#comment-774 Round up all the web geeks and pelt them with pebbles « Rivershark, Inc. Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:33:28 +0000 http://www.dogwalkblog.com/?p=932#comment-774 [...] January 12, 2009 Originally published at: DogWalkBlog.com [...] [...] January 12, 2009 Originally published at: DogWalkBlog.com [...]

]]> By: collisionbend http://www.dogwalkblog.com/round-up-all-the-web-geeks-and-pelt-them-with-pebbles.html/comment-page-1#comment-759 collisionbend Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:33:06 +0000 http://www.dogwalkblog.com/?p=932#comment-759 Understood. And for every one like Eric out there, there's at least 100 that deserve the stones, for sure. Understood. And for every one like Eric out there, there’s at least 100 that deserve the stones, for sure.

]]> By: Rufus http://www.dogwalkblog.com/round-up-all-the-web-geeks-and-pelt-them-with-pebbles.html/comment-page-1#comment-758 Rufus Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:58:09 +0000 http://www.dogwalkblog.com/?p=932#comment-758 @collisionbend I agree with the "some" but that hardly makes for a good blog title :-) Companies are made up of people. People make decisions. As for simplifying web sites, I agree with you. CSS is overall a good thing. Like print, the two big things I tell anyone looking to get into that game is 1) design on a grid and 2) stylesheets, always use stylesheets. Amazing how many don't really listen, so I feel for Mr. Meyer. Perhaps the list of geeks who don't look down on the user is a shorter list than those who do. I would be very happy to disclaim any of them. @collisionbend I agree with the “some” but that hardly makes for a good blog title :-) Companies are made up of people. People make decisions. As for simplifying web sites, I agree with you. CSS is overall a good thing. Like print, the two big things I tell anyone looking to get into that game is 1) design on a grid and 2) stylesheets, always use stylesheets. Amazing how many don’t really listen, so I feel for Mr. Meyer.

Perhaps the list of geeks who don’t look down on the user is a shorter list than those who do. I would be very happy to disclaim any of them.

]]> By: collisionbend http://www.dogwalkblog.com/round-up-all-the-web-geeks-and-pelt-them-with-pebbles.html/comment-page-1#comment-757 collisionbend Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:31:03 +0000 http://www.dogwalkblog.com/?p=932#comment-757 Oh, you are SOOOOOOOO right on here! I can't agree with you more. The issue is that different people in different companies (read: M$ and and the now-defunct Netscape) thought *they* knew better than anyone else, and their hubris and bloated egotism is what got them in trouble! Where I disagree: I don't think "the geeks... looked down at the user because they weren’t as smart, because they didn’t get it..." is entirely accurate. One of the folks who created the CSS spec, an admitted geek, lives right here in Cleveland, and is a good friend of mine -- and I know that he would never even think that of anybody, and probably would be deeply hurt if someone directly told him that was what he was doing. The idea, as Mr. Meyer himself explained to me, was to simplify creating and editing a web site -- especially one that was content-managed -- as well as provide for creating a single document for storage rather than multiple copies of the same for different deployments. What was intended to simplify HTML with a fairly straight-forward system of definition -- which in itself admittedly added a level of complexity -- was *then* compounded by the the aforementioned browser companies who felt *they* knew better than anyone else: 1) what this new "Standards stuff" was good for; 2) what the average web developer could understand; and 3) what the average web developer would end up developing -- and they were wrong on all three counts! It's a fine line of definition, I know. Now while I'm in favor of rounding these folks up and pelting them with pebbles, I can't condone rounding ALL of them up, for that would necessarily include both you an I; we just want to round up the egotistical ones! ;-) Oh, you are SOOOOOOOO right on here! I can’t agree with you more. The issue is that different people in different companies (read: M$ and and the now-defunct Netscape) thought *they* knew better than anyone else, and their hubris and bloated egotism is what got them in trouble!

Where I disagree: I don’t think “the geeks… looked down at the user because they weren’t as smart, because they didn’t get it…” is entirely accurate. One of the folks who created the CSS spec, an admitted geek, lives right here in Cleveland, and is a good friend of mine — and I know that he would never even think that of anybody, and probably would be deeply hurt if someone directly told him that was what he was doing.

The idea, as Mr. Meyer himself explained to me, was to simplify creating and editing a web site — especially one that was content-managed — as well as provide for creating a single document for storage rather than multiple copies of the same for different deployments.

What was intended to simplify HTML with a fairly straight-forward system of definition — which in itself admittedly added a level of complexity — was *then* compounded by the the aforementioned browser companies who felt *they* knew better than anyone else: 1) what this new “Standards stuff” was good for; 2) what the average web developer could understand; and 3) what the average web developer would end up developing — and they were wrong on all three counts!

It’s a fine line of definition, I know.

Now while I’m in favor of rounding these folks up and pelting them with pebbles, I can’t condone rounding ALL of them up, for that would necessarily include both you an I; we just want to round up the egotistical ones! ;-)

]]> By: Rufus http://www.dogwalkblog.com/round-up-all-the-web-geeks-and-pelt-them-with-pebbles.html/comment-page-1#comment-756 Rufus Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:59:45 +0000 http://www.dogwalkblog.com/?p=932#comment-756 @Sophie They are the ultimate "uber-geek enabler" Most tech companies are to blame as most "invent" products and then go find a market instead of the other way around. Their hubris emboldens them. @Sophie They are the ultimate “uber-geek enabler” Most tech companies are to blame as most “invent” products and then go find a market instead of the other way around. Their hubris emboldens them.

]]> By: Sophie Macalister http://www.dogwalkblog.com/round-up-all-the-web-geeks-and-pelt-them-with-pebbles.html/comment-page-1#comment-755 Sophie Macalister Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:55:48 +0000 http://www.dogwalkblog.com/?p=932#comment-755 Microsoft has never played nice with any other technology "brand"..they are the bully on the playground that insists you play dodgeball by their rules, even if they are wrong. Microsoft has never played nice with any other technology “brand”..they are the bully on the playground that insists you play dodgeball by their rules, even if they are wrong.

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